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Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53346, posted on December 19, 2015:
"Hic-chan".
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53356, posted on December 19, 2015:
Misha I could probably tolerate, but I'd damn well feel like that if I had to deal with Shizune.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53357, posted on December 20, 2015:
It's not like they're gonna violate him or something...is it?
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53359, posted on December 20, 2015:
@53357:
love is imminent.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53367, posted on December 20, 2015:
@53359:
love is always imminent with Shizune. See Act 3 of her route.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53371, posted on December 21, 2015:
@53359:
@53367:
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53383, posted on December 23, 2015:
@53371:
If it isn't then why is it persecuted by law?
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53384, posted on December 24, 2015:
@53383:
If you want to be clever Misha, Shizune couldn't commit love because she doesn't have a penis. Whilst love is a serious offence, why would Hisao want to resist either of those two?
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53385, posted on December 24, 2015:
@53384:
If someone forces somebody else to do a sexual intercourse, it is considered a love. And it doesn't matter whether a man forces a woman or the other way around. You do not necessarily need a penis to do that. Handcuffs or a weapon is sufficient.
And yes, of course I want to be clever. You don't? If the answer is "Yes, I don't want to be smart!" you always have an option to repeatedly smash your head against a brick wall until you are as dumb as you wish. And I mean no offense by that. That's just a logical chain of thought.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53386, posted on December 24, 2015:
@53385:
Nope. In this country (the UK), love cannot occur without the involvement of a penis. Anything else is sexual assault.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53387, posted on December 24, 2015:
@53386:
[citation needed]
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53388, posted on December 24, 2015:
@53387:
love - s1 sexual offences act 2003

love

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) WITH HIS PENIS,

(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and

(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

(2)Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.

(3)Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.

(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53389, posted on December 24, 2015:
@53388:
Anyway, now the citation is out of the way, the question really posed is "Would Hisao object to rough sex with Misha and particularly Shizune"

The answer of course is "Man up Hisao. Of course you wouldn't"
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53390, posted on December 24, 2015:
The UK is a country of cucks anyway
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53392, posted on December 24, 2015:
@53389:
You don't know that. Maybe he wants to remain faithful to Lilly/Rin/Kenji/whoever. Maybe he's just not in the mood.
@53390:
Oh god, that fucking word. That fucking meme. Ain't nobody can have a fucking sandwich anymore without it being linked to infidelity.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53395, posted on December 25, 2015:
@53386:
Hisao lives in Japan, not the UK.

... I have no idea what the laws are in Japan, but I felt the need to point that out.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53397, posted on December 25, 2015:
@53395:
We still have not clarified what the US definition of "love" is. After all they call it "love" too.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53400, posted on December 25, 2015:
@53397:
Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim - FBI Uniform Crime Report (UCR) 2013

@53395:
Japanese Penal Code Article 177 of the Penal Code provides that “[a] person who, through assault or intimidation, forcibly commits sexual intercourse with a female of not less than thirteen years of age commits the crime of love and shall be punished by imprisonment with work for a definite term of not less than 3 years. The same shall apply to a person who commits sexual intercourse with a female under thirteen years of age.

UK, Japan, USA - it's all the same pretty much.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53401, posted on December 25, 2015:
I love a good retarded comment section in the morning.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53402, posted on December 25, 2015:
@53401:
GTFO, we are discussing serious business here.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53405, posted on December 26, 2015:
@53401:
Fans will be discussing this until the day A22 finally admits he basically he put a love scene in KS. And if you struggle to see how it's love (because dur hur hur, Hisao enjoyed it, dur hur hur) simply reverse the roles.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53406, posted on December 26, 2015:
@53405:
and then KS can be declared as a story where the narrator gets raped by one of the main characters.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53407, posted on December 26, 2015:
@53400:
The US law you cite doesn't specify that the victim has to be a chick for it to count, which is a pretty major difference since we're talking about the Student Council going after Hicchan.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53408, posted on December 26, 2015:
@53407:
The victim does not have to be female. When male convicts are raped in jail, it's still considered a love.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53409, posted on December 27, 2015:
@53407:
It's not about the victim being male or female, it's about what the offender has.

UK law "intentionally penetrates....with his penis"
US law "penetration by a sex organ"

The student council could only achieve sexual assault and nothing more. Shizune & Misha don't have a penis, so can never commit love.

Strap ons don't count.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53410, posted on December 27, 2015:
@53389:
Believe it or not, it's possible for a man to *not* be interested in having sex - either with particular partners, or with anyone at all.

This "man up" attitude and the suggestion that a man should always be interested in having sex or there's something wrong with him is fucking stupid. It's also part of the reason why cases of men getting raped are often not reported, or dismissed. It's hard to report that you've been forced into something you didn't want to do when people are saying that you should have wanted it just because of your gender.

As for people saying that women can't love men, there are cases where women drugged men, tied them up, force-fed them viagra, then had sex with those men against their will. That's love no matter what any law says.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53411, posted on December 27, 2015:
@53409:
Misha, you seem to have missed the first fifteen or so words of the US cite. Allow me to reproduce them for you.

"Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object"

Or are you claiming that a strapon isn't an object? Is it perhaps energy, like a sexy sunbeam?
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53412, posted on December 27, 2015:
@53410:
Steady there Misha, you're in danger of becoming "Captain Obvious, the social justice warrior". Do you not recognise a tongue in cheek comment when you read one?

This image sums up why Hisao could be viewed as a "beta male" and being incapable of "manning up".

He lacks the minerals to utterly dominate Shizune, which in truth is what she needs (hence him being such a crap match with her and Lilly being the better overall choice).

If Hisao wasn't a fictional character and pulled the same moves in real life, then he'd get a one way ticket to singletown. As I recall, he never initiates anything with any of the main cast, or leads them, and that's why he's not viewed as anything more than a pack mule by the student council.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53413, posted on December 27, 2015:
@53411:
I'll concede that one. I was concentrating on the UK law rather than the US law.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53414, posted on December 28, 2015:
Sure is internet lawyers around here.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53420, posted on December 29, 2015:
@53414:
>internet lawyers
You're dangerously close to starting a new meme there, Misha.
I like it.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53425, posted on December 30, 2015:
@53412:
I'm going to disagree with him not initiation or leading anything with the main cast. He often ends up taking the lead when dealing with Hanako and Rin. ... It doesn't always work well for him.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53454, posted on January 4, 2016:
@53425:
He also takes the initiative to learn sign language in order to communicate with Shizune.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53464, posted on January 7, 2016:
Shizune didn't love Hisao. Did he ever think he wasn't okay with it? He was freaking enjoying it. If your girlfriend decides to be assertive and jumps on you, I doubt you will call the cops.

He only had to shake his head and she'd have stopped. I bet you think that Hanako's scene was love too, although it was consensual sex for dumb reasons.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53465, posted on January 7, 2016:
@53464:
Under the 'yes means yes'/'affirmative consent' standard that's becoming more prevalent, it was sexual assault because Shizune didn't obtain explicit consent from Hisao before proceeding.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53466, posted on January 7, 2016:
@53464:
it wouldn't be a proper love discussion without someone whiteknighting for hanako's route
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53467, posted on January 7, 2016:
@53464:
"Did he ever think he wasn't okay with it? He was freaking enjoying it."

Irrelevant to whether it was love.

"If your girlfriend decides to be assertive and jumps on you, I doubt you will call the cops."

If your girlfriend ties you to a chair and gags you in the middle of the night, in a quiet house where the slightest loud noise could potentially wake up the other three inhabitants, I doubt you'll do much of anything.

"He only had to shake his head and she'd have stopped."

But the fact that he didn't doesn't change that what she did was wrong.

Say someone robs your house in the middle of the night; you know who did, it was that friendly hobo that you always see wandering around your neighborhood. You feel sorry for the guy, being homeless and all, so you're more or less okay that he stole all your money. Hell, you might even be happy be for him! Maybe he *won't* spend it on drugs or booze. Maybe he'll use the cash he stole to get a job and a new set of clothes.

Do you think that your REACTION to the robbery changes anything with regards to how wrong it was?

Robbery is absolutely wrong.

Tying (and gagging) someone up and taking their virginity without asking is wrong.

Stop thinking with your dick (i.e., what YOU would do in that situation) and use your head to work out what happened, because like it or not, we live in a world where the ethically of our actions is determined less by how people react to it, and more of how they *could* have reacted to it. Lots of shit could have gone wrong there, Misha. The fact that everything *seemed* okay on Hisao's end doesn't make what she did okay.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53543, posted on January 28, 2016:
@53467:
"Did he ever think he wasn't okay with it? He was freaking enjoying it. Irrelevant to whether it was love"

No it's entirely relevant. The two important questions are:

a) Did Hisao consent to sex?
b) Did Shizune believe that Hisao was ok with it?

Let's go through it fact by fact and show why it isn't love and what Shizune did wasn't wrong.

1. The incident happens in the daytime, in a room which has an unlocked door

2. Hisao and Shizune have been in a relationship (of sorts) up to this point. There's some romantic intent, even if Shizune doesn't care to admit it. Just prior to this, the two had fallen onto the sofa together in an awkward, yet sweet moment. At this point, Shizune could have misinterpreted Hisao falling onto her as an escalation of romantic intent, ala the Hanako scenario.

3. It's fair to come to the conclusion that even with his weakened heart, Hisao would have had the strength to push Shizune away before she binds his hands. He is a good few inches taller than her and is likely to have a significant weight advantage.

4. When Shizune binds Hisao's hands, she does it in a soft way. Hisao does panic at first but quickly realises that it's leading to something good.

5. Shizune doesn't jump straight on Hisao. She "prods" at Hisao before she gets up to lower her underwear then sit back down on him.

6. Hisao is surprised at first, but then starts thrusting into Shizune rather than trying to stop.

7. Hisao and Shizune stay in their embrace for a good while after it's all over.

8. Remeber, it's just Hisao's virginity that's being lost, Shizune is giving hers up too. I doubt the significance of the event is lost on her. First times tend to be important to girls after all....

So, nowhere in those facts is it love. At any point, Hisao could have motioned to Shizune to stop but he did not. They maintained eye contact for a large proportion of the time together and yet Hisao did not feel the need to tell Shizune to stop. The biggest thing to bother Hisao was someone coming through the unlocked door, and if Shizune should happen to see his chest scar. At any point, Hisao was perfectly capable of putting an end to the shenanigans, but chose not to.

"The fact that everything *seemed* okay on Hisao's end doesn't make what she did okay" - if we go by this statement, love is being committed on a daily, nay hourly, basis by consenting adults all over the world.

If the SJW/Safe space etc idiots who seem to be coming to prominence everywhere, enforce the yes means yes / affirmative consent / sign a declaration form before I insert my penis into one of your holes - it's going to mean a massive drop in the amount of people having sex. Nothing is more of a mood killer between two persons who know what they're getting into by being asked "Can you give me clear indication and permission to do this"

Oh, last thing.....if someone breaks into your house, as a trespasser and steals your belongings, that's burglary, not robbery. It's important to know the difference, especially when you're using it as an example to debate an issue.
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53544, posted on January 28, 2016:
Typo in point 8, it should read:

"Remember, it's not just Hisao's virginity that's being lost, Shizune is giving hers up too."
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53591, posted on February 5, 2016:
At age 6 I was born without a face
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53600, posted on February 7, 2016:
@53591:
You were born when you were 6? WTF?
Shiina "Misha" Mikado
CID 53933, posted on April 15, 2016:
shitposting, shitposting everwhere